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Christmas Seals

Luree HughesLuree Hughes
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Are Christmas Seals considered a Cinderella?

I'm working in Philippines and have two Seals and I saw on Colnect they are referring to them as Cindy's. Got me to thinking and thought someone might know this answer.

Thanks

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  • George DeKornfeldGeorge DeKornfeld
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    Yes, in a somewhat interchangeable sense (along with 'labels,' 'poster stamps' and 'seals').
  • George DeKornfeldGeorge DeKornfeld
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    From Wikipedia: "In philately, a cinderella stamp is "virtually anything resembling a postage stamp, but not issued for postal purposes by a government postal administration". There is a wide variety of cinderella stamps, such as those printed for promotional use by businesses, churches, political or non-profit groups."
  • Luree HughesLuree Hughes
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    Thank, George. Makes sense, now.
  • Scott PaytonScott Payton
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    But unlike Cinderella's, Christmas Seals for US at least are listed in the Scott Specialized catalogue. I would argue that this doesn't make them a Cinderella by definition. They are designated a "Seal", and unlike most other Cinderella issues, are all found on cover with other valid postal usages.
  • George DeKornfeldGeorge DeKornfeld
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    How many dozens of covers would you like me to scan and post that have non-seal Cinderella issues affixed along with legal postage (many of them tied). Further, just Google 'Cinderella Stamp Definition' and you'll quickly find that you're incorrect. Here's a couple:
    "The cinderella stamp definition is a label that resembles a postage stamp but is not used as a postal fee for sending mail."
    "Cinderella stamps are any kind of adhesive labels that were not issued by a government post office for sending the mail."
    Just because they're listed in Scott doesn't make them any more legal for use as postage than Revenue issues, or Waterfowl stamps, or....
  • Bill O'MalleyBill O'Malley
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    Somewhere around here in my archives I have a cover that was mailed using a Christmas seal for postage and was not flagged by the Post Office.
  • Greg DollGGreg Doll
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    Hahaha! Bill, I like how you refer to it as your "archives". If it's anything like mine, It's a giant pile of boxes, stockbooks, files, folders, envelopes, and stacks of "stuff". All meticulously organized of course. :wink:
  • Wayne BuzaWayne Buza
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    Greg, When you do get your's "meticulously organized" come to my house and help me. My dear wife would wonder what happened to me if my "Stuff' was like that.
  • Greg DollGGreg Doll
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    I'm going to actually start telling my wife that all this mess is "meticulously archived". I can't wait to see how long she stands in the door of my office, hands on hips, and rolls her eyes at me. I bet she will set a new record!!!!! :smiley:
  • Scott PaytonScott Payton
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    I'm not saying Cinderella's don't appear on covers. My point is that even the post office recognizes these as "Seals", as does the Scott Catalogue. It's a subtle difference, but philatelically canonizes Christmas Seals as something other than a "Cinderella".
  • George DeKornfeldGeorge DeKornfeld
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    "Cinderella stamps are any kind of adhesive labels that were not issued by a government post office for sending the mail."
  • Scott PaytonScott Payton
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    According to who's definition? That's not published in Scott...
  • Phil Merrill_Phil Merrill_
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    I think the argument could be made that as they are intended to garner donations, Christmas Seals are kinda like postal tax stamps.
  • Scott PaytonScott Payton
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    I like that interpretation Phil.
  • George DeKornfeldGeorge DeKornfeld
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    Like I posted earlier, google the definition of Cinderella stamps. You'll find that definition in various forms to be ubiquitous.

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=what+is+a+cinderella+stamp&FORM=QSRE1

    Here's one from 'The Cinderella Stamp Club,' a UK society that specializes in them:

    "What is a Cinderella?
    The masthead of the Club’s quarterly magazine, The Cinderella Philatelist, lists: “Local stamps, telegraph stamps, railway stamps, revenues/fiscals, forgeries, bogus and phantom issues. Christmas, Red Cross, TB and other charity seals, registration labels, advertisement and exhibition labels and many other items.....”. The phrase “many other items” conceals a multitude of minor stamp-like categories. Among the more curious which have found their way into the pages of The Cinderella Philatelist are copyright royalty stamps found on old gramophone records, glove and mitten duty stamps, and chemical reagent bottle deposit labels. Articles have been published on pseudo-postal stationery, telegram forms, war-time street-appeal lapel tags and envelope economy labels."




  • George DeKornfeldGeorge DeKornfeld
    edited September 2022 1 LikesVote Down
    Apples and Oranges:
    "A postal tax stamp refers to a stamp which raises revenue for charity or war related projects. Postal tax stamps are similar to semi-postals, except their use is mandatory instead of voluntary. They are used to show payment of a compulsory tax on mailing letters and parcels."
    Seals are clearly voluntary!
  • Scott PaytonScott Payton
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    And yet, Christmas Seals are listed in Scott, while none of the others are mentioned....
  • George DeKornfeldGeorge DeKornfeld
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    That's the nice thing about Scott. They list all sorts of things that aren't legal for postage.
    I'm done going around in circles with you. I've presented a multitude of sources, including a specialist society that clearly names seals under Cinderella stamps while you have presented nothing more than your...opinion.
  • Bill O'MalleyBill O'Malley
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    Greg,

    My archives are boxes and boxes of items that are somewhat organized and I hope I am able to get through them before I pass on from this hollowed ground we call earth.

    Christmas seals are labels and their are other labels listed in Scott Specialized.
  • Greg DollGGreg Doll
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    Bill...oh I was just being goofy....I always visualize folks' stamp dens/offices to look like mine. And for this hollowed ground....I always seem to trip over the hollows in the ground (dang moles!!!!). :smiley: But I will (maybe) miss this hallowed ground we tread upon.
  • Bill O'MalleyBill O'Malley
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    Greg,

    It is very hallowed and I trip over anything and everything all the time. LoL
  • Greg DollGGreg Doll
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    Hahahahaha!
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